I support efforts against this war, but not the anarchists in the photos up top (who weren't even in DC). FWIW, I also think it would be a mistake to try to impeach Bush (but it wouldn't break my heart if we succeeded). I don't have to agree with every opinion expressed during a march to support it in general.
As to vandalism, I looked at some of Gunslinger's links and those didn't appear to happen during protest marches. I don't recall denying anything, but the concept of protecting the wall seemed a bit of hysteria to me. Now I gather the Eagles have evolved beyond that, but I'm not sure towards what. The majority of Americans including quite a few veterans and conservatives are against this war - if you're attempting to portray us all as traitors, that's not gonna fly...
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ March 21, 2007 01:11 PM: Message edited by: LanDroid ]</font>
And remember, vandalism is itself a crime. So often, its political connotations get in the way. As far as I'm concerned, it would be no different if a group of pro-war activists spray-painted words of encouragement. Vandalism is a crime and should be punished, no matter by whom it is done, no matter to whom it is done.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just waitOriginally posted by LanDroid:
I if you're attempting to portray us all as traitors, that's not gonna fly...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We are not "pro-war", we are pro-troops, just as the "anti-war" are actually anti-America.Originally posted by Lew:
And remember, vandalism is itself a crime. So often, its political connotations get in the way. As far as I'm concerned, it would be no different if a group of pro-war activists spray-painted words of encouragement. Vandalism is a crime and should be punished, no matter by whom it is done, no matter to whom it is done.
You're the voice of reason here so do a little searching and see who is funding ANSWER and Code Pink. Then come back and tell us if these protests are really anit-war or if the are anit-America.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ March 21, 2007 04:57 PM: Message edited by: travelinman ]</font>
Trav-
I see your point, it was my intent to differentiate those who are in support of the war in Iraq (not that they are "pro-war" in that they love to see bloodshed) and those who are against the war in Iraq.
But that said, I see your point, and to the extent I mis-spoke, I stand corrected.
And I do agree with Lan that a lot of the punks in those pictures are anarchists (if they even are anarchists, like I've said before a lot of them are just young punks who wouldn't be able to articulate a real idea anymore than they'd be able to crap gold bullion)and it's inaccurate to presume that all persons who are against the war in Iraq are of their ilk.
I told you, for the record I'm against what's we're doing in Iraq, but had I been in Washington that day, I would have most definitely hung with your crew. My niece is in the Army as we speak (she's guarding Italy from being invaded by Austria, but there's nothing to say she coudn't get shipped to Iraq at some point) and when I see a sign that says F-the troops....I mean, should they have the right to say it? Absolutely. But should the police be able to try out new tasers on them, to make sure they're working properly? You bet.
Lew,
The way I see this is that every American has the right to believe what they want and the constitution gives every American the right to free speech. The constitution does not grant free crudeness or free civil disobediences, nor does it give non-citizens the right to speak out against our government.
Here is the list of supporters ANSWER publishes on their web site:
Steering Committee:
IFCO/Pastors for Peace
Free Palestine Alliance - U.S.
Haiti Support Network
Partnership for Civil Justice - LDEF
Nicaragua Network
Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Philippines
Korea Truth Commission
Muslim Student Association - National
Kensington Welfare Rights Union
Mexico Solidarity Network
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Now outside of the Pastors for Peace do you see any other groups that are remotely American? It gets even more interesting if you do some research into who is funding the listed groups.
Here is a sample of items they sell on their web site:
I and a growing number of Americans believe that if any reasonable person liberal or conservative supports this organization they are traitors to our country. When the MSM provides coverage of these events they ignore the financial supporters and they gloss over the true purpose of the organization because it fits into their agenda. It?s a sad day for America when normally intelligent people like LAN let their hatred for a sitting President cloud their thinking to a point where they support traitorous acts.
Make no mistake there were many ?useful idiots? like LAN in the protest. It was interesting to see their eyes as they found themselves standing next to people holding Palestinian and Mexican flags, men dresses up as women, the black blockers with their shield and battery filled socks and young people who haven?t taken a bath or combed their hair for years yelling baby killer to a 60 year old Vietnam veteran in a wheelchair. I am sure during prior protests these ?useful idiots? were able to close their eyes to what the real purpose of the protest was because the number of true Americans there too counter was so small. But on March 17 we had 3 of us for every 1 of them and the traitorous hordes were in frenzy because they were scared shitless of us.
I know I may sound a bit radical but there will come a day soon where every American will have to make a choice to ether support this country and our way of life or let the forces of evil pull us apart.
Our supporters:
U.S. Army Ranger Association
Vets for Victory
Move America Forward
Rolling Thunder
The Order of the Purple Hart
Firebase Network
United American Patriots
75th Ranger Regiment Association
The Patriotic Pillow Project
American Protest Net
The Hugs Project
12th Marine Artillery Regiment Association
Combat Veterans Association
National Association of Uniformed Services
USA Cossacks
National Vietnam & Gulf War Veterans Coalition
Operation Helmet
Here is an sample of what we sell on our web site:
Tell me where do you stand, with George Washington or Che Guevara?
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ March 22, 2007 06:10 AM: Message edited by: travelinman ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They look kinda like those terrorists who are always saying "down with the USA" and burning our flag dont they! [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]Originally posted by travelinman:
This is what the liberal media does not want you to know. But fear not, the Eagles have landed.
This was the scene Sunday in Portland, Oregon, as ?anti-war? demonstrators burned not only a US flag, but a US soldier in effigy.
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